[Lilac]

amos,

I think the most I love about "nagualism" is that it's about detachement. It can make one fluid. Many other systems just make one go to extremetes on some area and cling to all kind of thing which aren't very practical at all.

An answer to my silly question "what do you relate?" could eventually be: "I relate to nothing".

About seeing the energy... Some years ago I woke up in the middle of the night and saw red lines cris crossing all around me in my room in the darknes. Those lines weren't straight, they curved. This happened to me twice and both occasions I was about to get my periods in a couple of days.

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DrakeWan,

I think I understand what you mean about being a blockhead and accepting it. Over and over again there has been in CC's books an idea that nothing can be taken away from tonal. We have to play with those cards we have gotten... The best tonal one can have is not a tonal that disappears completely, but the one who can shut it's mouth for a while and let the nagual come forward.

[Merged]

Hello,

There are a few topics I have never been able to get CC's viewpoint on even after following him for 17 years. By the way; I am not anything and have never met anyone important. I guess the only thing reading CC really inspired me to do was write books. Thats all I can admit. Anyhow, what was CCs or DJs view on ufo aliens and Christ? Anyone? David Icke feels christ never even existed and its not that important but id like to know what everyones raving about. If everyones talking about it, it probably is bullshit anyway. Also this childish UFO/Alien issue. This has to be something.but not the something everyone thinks it is. If theres one thing Ive learned, its that everything is something and if i ignore something it could turn on me and harm me. AA taught me that. Thanks

[Lilac]

I guess CC said that in a way that aliens are inorganic beings, that's all. (Thinking mainly about the scouts that aren't from our world.) I don't think he said a thing about Christ. I suppose the human mold can make somebody feel that s/he meets Jesus...

I myself just don't know what to think about aliens. I don't think people are having just illusions when they are abducted, but wether those beings are humanoids from outer space is not that clear. Some time ago I read an interesting book from Graham Hancock, Supernatural, where he compaired abductions, classic shaman stories and altered states of consciusness and found similarities. He thought that that everyone of us can have those same experiences, some naturally and some only using drugs. Somehow he thinks that those experiences where people meet (inorganic?) beings are real, although people always have to be in certain kind of awaresnes before they can have those close encounters.

About Christ I have read several books of different theories, one time my favorite writers were Freke & Gandy, the first book which I read being The Jesus Mysteries. That book mainly says that the Christ story was made up in Alexandria by Judes who had had incluences of mysteries around Mediterranean area. They wanted to introduce a dying and resurrecting god to Judes who couldn't think about God having an offspring. Later the story was taken literally and people started to believe that there has actually been a person called Jesus the Christ.

Another writer who is interesting is Laurence Gardner, and "his" Jesus is a king who took the office of the high preast as well, and is supposed to be the forefather of certaing figures like king Arthur etc... Maby just pretty stories...