11-28-2007, 06:47 AM
No, I hadn't read that. Thank you for providing it.
If you want me to read that, and then agree that those are the rules and requirements of freedom, and then ask myself, according to those rules, am I free? Then the answer is, "no".
But listen to me carefully, and sincerely... I am not playing games with you or myself nor finding solace in mere words.... if we must agree to those rules and requirements, if we have to fit into them and say "this is the only reality"... BratscheWarrior, don't you see that no one is free? You gave me a box to squeeze my infinity into, and then you said, "now do you feel free?" lol!
Now, conversely, I've told you that all requirements, conditions, thinking and boxes are only conceptually real, and infinity is the actually real. If you agree to my description, can you honestly tell me you are not free?
You've mistaken the conceptually real for the actually real... you write with the conviction that your description is not just a description... and so you believe that you are not free... but that doesn't make you actually not free.
So what good is that? What use is that? None whatsoever.
It is the mind that believes itself not free that asks and searches for use, for profit, for gain. You're free, that's all. It doesn't change anything. But please listen sincerely... it's the mind that thinks, that believes something needs to be changed. I assure you, this moment is complete, right now, already. There's nothing to add or take away from this infinity, this nothing. The mind still strives? Yes. Let it strive. That's what mind does. Does that necessitate that freedom is not because in this small portion of infinity there are minds striving? Didn't spirit/infinity reserve this small portion for just that? So that we could be free to experience that too? Everyone born here must, as infants and children, go through the programming that instills a sense of our identity as an individual seperate mind. That's not a bad thing. It's a function of the whole. It's necessary or it wouldn't be what is.
No, I don't expect my assurances to mean anything to you. I don't expect you to be free because I've told you you are. But maybe you won't be as certain as you were before.
It's not up to me or you. This is spirit's jurisdiction.
If you want me to read that, and then agree that those are the rules and requirements of freedom, and then ask myself, according to those rules, am I free? Then the answer is, "no".
But listen to me carefully, and sincerely... I am not playing games with you or myself nor finding solace in mere words.... if we must agree to those rules and requirements, if we have to fit into them and say "this is the only reality"... BratscheWarrior, don't you see that no one is free? You gave me a box to squeeze my infinity into, and then you said, "now do you feel free?" lol!
Now, conversely, I've told you that all requirements, conditions, thinking and boxes are only conceptually real, and infinity is the actually real. If you agree to my description, can you honestly tell me you are not free?
You've mistaken the conceptually real for the actually real... you write with the conviction that your description is not just a description... and so you believe that you are not free... but that doesn't make you actually not free.
So what good is that? What use is that? None whatsoever.
It is the mind that believes itself not free that asks and searches for use, for profit, for gain. You're free, that's all. It doesn't change anything. But please listen sincerely... it's the mind that thinks, that believes something needs to be changed. I assure you, this moment is complete, right now, already. There's nothing to add or take away from this infinity, this nothing. The mind still strives? Yes. Let it strive. That's what mind does. Does that necessitate that freedom is not because in this small portion of infinity there are minds striving? Didn't spirit/infinity reserve this small portion for just that? So that we could be free to experience that too? Everyone born here must, as infants and children, go through the programming that instills a sense of our identity as an individual seperate mind. That's not a bad thing. It's a function of the whole. It's necessary or it wouldn't be what is.No, I don't expect my assurances to mean anything to you. I don't expect you to be free because I've told you you are. But maybe you won't be as certain as you were before.
It's not up to me or you. This is spirit's jurisdiction.