03-15-2008, 07:11 AM
Hi Bratschewarrior.
I haven't "dreamt together" since I was a child. My brother and I used to do it.
Have I verified these things in dreaming? That's a little different question. In the way you probably mean it, the answer would be "no". But I'm a stalker. And you know that true stalking and dreaming utilise the same attention. So my "method" is to ponder something, to contemplate it obsessively you might say, to stalk it - and then the insight comes, not from thinking, but from exhausting thinking and becoming quiet and directly seeing what is. I would say that desire held long enough, intensely enough, becomes will and intent - stalking starts in the first att and moves into the second, the dreaming att. And you probably know that DJ said that when the AP moves you are technically asleep.
So on these technicalities, I have verified these things in dreaming, with my dreaming att. I'd call it seeing. You probably know CC gave several definitions of seeing. One was something like knowing something for certain, and another was seeing to the essence of a thing, then the third was seeing energy as it flows in the universe. My seeing qualifies for the first two.
I don't have to contemplate things very long anymore. If I want to know something, I just look at it, without the mind, without preconceptions or motives. Then I see. Then I match this seeing with the proper words, as best as I can.
I really wish I could convey this: One step closer towards seeing energy as it flows in the universe is to see actuality as it is - to see what actually is there - without thought, without mind as interpreter/mediator. This isn't as difficult as one might think. It doesn't require lengthy periods of no thought. This reality is here all the time - thought is always followed by a pause/silence, and reality is there between each thought. So you really have as many chances to see actuality as you do your thoughts. It's just a matter of un-conditioning your awareness, deconstructing your mind/beliefs. I've practiced alot of self-observation and recapitulation, to the point where I can recapitulate events as they happen. That ability is the same as seeing 'what is' without mind-emotions-thinking. Remember how CC saw the old seers by recapitulating them as if they were his own life? That's what I do with anything I want to know. But I have to be really interested - it has to come from my life, not my mind; meaning I can't just think up things to see because that would degrade it into philosophising instead of seeing actuality. Thus I see and say that life isn't mind, and being mind/1st att is being dead. We think about life instead of being life/living. DJ said we are always one step removed from reality (while in the 1st att.).
I haven't "dreamt together" since I was a child. My brother and I used to do it.
Have I verified these things in dreaming? That's a little different question. In the way you probably mean it, the answer would be "no". But I'm a stalker. And you know that true stalking and dreaming utilise the same attention. So my "method" is to ponder something, to contemplate it obsessively you might say, to stalk it - and then the insight comes, not from thinking, but from exhausting thinking and becoming quiet and directly seeing what is. I would say that desire held long enough, intensely enough, becomes will and intent - stalking starts in the first att and moves into the second, the dreaming att. And you probably know that DJ said that when the AP moves you are technically asleep.
So on these technicalities, I have verified these things in dreaming, with my dreaming att. I'd call it seeing. You probably know CC gave several definitions of seeing. One was something like knowing something for certain, and another was seeing to the essence of a thing, then the third was seeing energy as it flows in the universe. My seeing qualifies for the first two.
I don't have to contemplate things very long anymore. If I want to know something, I just look at it, without the mind, without preconceptions or motives. Then I see. Then I match this seeing with the proper words, as best as I can.
I really wish I could convey this: One step closer towards seeing energy as it flows in the universe is to see actuality as it is - to see what actually is there - without thought, without mind as interpreter/mediator. This isn't as difficult as one might think. It doesn't require lengthy periods of no thought. This reality is here all the time - thought is always followed by a pause/silence, and reality is there between each thought. So you really have as many chances to see actuality as you do your thoughts. It's just a matter of un-conditioning your awareness, deconstructing your mind/beliefs. I've practiced alot of self-observation and recapitulation, to the point where I can recapitulate events as they happen. That ability is the same as seeing 'what is' without mind-emotions-thinking. Remember how CC saw the old seers by recapitulating them as if they were his own life? That's what I do with anything I want to know. But I have to be really interested - it has to come from my life, not my mind; meaning I can't just think up things to see because that would degrade it into philosophising instead of seeing actuality. Thus I see and say that life isn't mind, and being mind/1st att is being dead. We think about life instead of being life/living. DJ said we are always one step removed from reality (while in the 1st att.).