https://rojointenso.net/mybb/ Wed, 06 May 2026 13:30:09 +0000 MyBB https://rojointenso.net/mybb/showthread.php?tid=8449 Sat, 20 Sep 2008 00:47:57 +0000 cada dia]]> https://rojointenso.net/mybb/showthread.php?tid=8449 this is the practice to forge the intent, named promise keeper

1. take paper sheet and write down all things you want to intent and to do.
egz. :
1.build a house
2.learn tensegrity
3.recapitulate all life
and ect.

2. take first intention and make step-by-step shedule.
egz.:
to build a house I need:
1. make project
2. take a loan
3. buy material
and ect.

3. find a person who will be your promise keeper. discuse with keeper first job of the shedule. how long it will take to do, how you will do it and the period for keeper remindings.
Keeper don't do any of your jobs, he just reminds you what he has yours promise.
its looks like:
one time a week or month keeper says:
- hi John, I keeping your promise
- oh thank you, Mr keeper.
-bye
-bye

thats all.

4. then time is out You going to keeper and do report about success or failure.
if you succeded you going to next job in the shedule and do it the same way.
if you failed, you divide this failed project into smaller projects and do it one by one in the same way.

5. then all shedule is done you going to the second intent from the first list.]]> this is the practice to forge the intent, named promise keeper

1. take paper sheet and write down all things you want to intent and to do.
egz. :
1.build a house
2.learn tensegrity
3.recapitulate all life
and ect.

2. take first intention and make step-by-step shedule.
egz.:
to build a house I need:
1. make project
2. take a loan
3. buy material
and ect.

3. find a person who will be your promise keeper. discuse with keeper first job of the shedule. how long it will take to do, how you will do it and the period for keeper remindings.
Keeper don't do any of your jobs, he just reminds you what he has yours promise.
its looks like:
one time a week or month keeper says:
- hi John, I keeping your promise
- oh thank you, Mr keeper.
-bye
-bye

thats all.

4. then time is out You going to keeper and do report about success or failure.
if you succeded you going to next job in the shedule and do it the same way.
if you failed, you divide this failed project into smaller projects and do it one by one in the same way.

5. then all shedule is done you going to the second intent from the first list.]]> https://rojointenso.net/mybb/showthread.php?tid=8450 Wed, 27 Aug 2008 23:09:07 +0000 forfuckssake]]> https://rojointenso.net/mybb/showthread.php?tid=8450
http://www.opraheckhartvideo.com/

They also work well standing and breathing ]]>
http://www.opraheckhartvideo.com/

They also work well standing and breathing ]]> https://rojointenso.net/mybb/showthread.php?tid=8461 Mon, 17 Mar 2008 01:36:17 +0000 true]]> https://rojointenso.net/mybb/showthread.php?tid=8461 to manipulate people's perception. I wonder how close this is to stalking. Sometimes I think very close. Basically, he's an expert in psychology; he knows the human mind and can remove it's securities and put other descriptions there.
He's apparently a big hit in the UK. Check it out.]]> to manipulate people's perception. I wonder how close this is to stalking. Sometimes I think very close. Basically, he's an expert in psychology; he knows the human mind and can remove it's securities and put other descriptions there.
He's apparently a big hit in the UK. Check it out.]]> https://rojointenso.net/mybb/showthread.php?tid=8462 Sun, 16 Mar 2008 01:39:07 +0000 BratscheWarrior]]> https://rojointenso.net/mybb/showthread.php?tid=8462 https://rojointenso.net/mybb/showthread.php?tid=8465 Sat, 08 Mar 2008 12:52:23 +0000 true]]> https://rojointenso.net/mybb/showthread.php?tid=8465 The tonal, in CC's books, is often used synonymously as reason or understanding. I prefer to equate it with mind and thought. But there is much more to it. IMO, not enough info is given in Castaneda's works to understand the tonal and nagual. But fortunately these elements are found in other systems, by the discerning eye.
One of the most enlightening works, IMO, on the tonal and nagual and man's place/purpose in the universe is found in the Qabala, particularly in Carlo Suares' fascinating work, "The Cipher of Genesis". If you can get a hold of this book and read it... well, you'll be doing yourself a big favor. And much can be gleaned from non-dual systems, zen and tao. So here's a further exploration into the nature of the tonal based on my studies and observations.

1) The tonal begins at birth and ends at death.
If this is true, then there can be no hells or heavens which would necessarily be organized in some fashion, nor can there be an afterlife unless it is devoid of thought, name, mind, self. So if this is true, many other religions are not true - the tibetan book of the dead and the egyptian book of the dead in particular, and, as Buddha recognized, no transmigration of the soul, no Christian reward in heaven or punishment in hell.... that or the word "death" has some other definition than the normally accepted one. It appears true that the tonal is not present at birth.

2) Anything that can be named is the realm of the tonal.
Another system which emphasizes this is Gnosticism, wherein the one true God is the Ineffable.

3) The tonal is a guardian that has become a guard.
This statement from DJ gets more into the mind aspect where the tonal dethrones the nagual in the human mind, and it does so as a protective mechanism - the ego.

This is the area I'd like to expand on. This desire or need for protection/security, which originally was a very real physical impulse for survival, has transformed into a false, psychological non-existent ego's need for continuity. Continuity and permanence are false or at best temporal. Chaos, the nagual, is this constantly fluctuating energy DJ speaks of.

I guess what I want to emphasize is a warrior's need to stalk/observe moments of continuity, security, understanding... and recognize these as tonal desires/dreams that are simply not possible/actual. I don't know that the tonal begins at birth and ends at death. But what is more significant to me is that all tonal items are born and die - they are temporal manifestations of order, but they cannot be maintained permanently. What is essential to recognize with the ego is its effort to achieve continuity, to survive. It can only do this by REPEATING THE PAST, and PROJECTING THE PAST INTO/AS A FUTURE. The ego does not exist; cannot exist presently, and present/now is all there is. But it can appear to exist through order, memory, habit, repetition, security, the known. The desire to understand is a front of the ego seeking security and control - order to resist the reality of chaos which would rip the ego apart.
A common element in all these ego strivings is the known (which is the same as the past) - there is no room for the unknown in the ego or first attention or self-reflection. The unknown is having no reflection, leaving no footprints, being without reference, mind emptied of knowledge/thought. The internal dialogue is always talking to us about life; it isn't life. Mind is always one step removed from life. Let there be just life. That is non-duality. As long as there is life and someone living/experiencing life there will be conflict/seperation and you will miss the true meaning (being) of the nagual. You are the nagual, always have been. But you won't know it until you eliminate the mind. And then you still won't know it because there will be no knower and the known - there will be oneness.

I don't think I said all that I meant to. I'll have to come back and re-read and elaborate. My focus was meant to be living with chaos instead of resisting it and trying to maintain order. I wish to convey a certainty that order cannot be maintained because it is not the true nature of life. The true nature of life is life-death: flux. So we are back to death again. Death must not be a future event. That supports the false ego's view, but it doesn't support actuality. Life is the unknown - we must die to every moment in order for the next to be new. There can be no past, no knowledge, no storing/grasping. We must let these die in order to truly be alive.]]> The tonal, in CC's books, is often used synonymously as reason or understanding. I prefer to equate it with mind and thought. But there is much more to it. IMO, not enough info is given in Castaneda's works to understand the tonal and nagual. But fortunately these elements are found in other systems, by the discerning eye.
One of the most enlightening works, IMO, on the tonal and nagual and man's place/purpose in the universe is found in the Qabala, particularly in Carlo Suares' fascinating work, "The Cipher of Genesis". If you can get a hold of this book and read it... well, you'll be doing yourself a big favor. And much can be gleaned from non-dual systems, zen and tao. So here's a further exploration into the nature of the tonal based on my studies and observations.

1) The tonal begins at birth and ends at death.
If this is true, then there can be no hells or heavens which would necessarily be organized in some fashion, nor can there be an afterlife unless it is devoid of thought, name, mind, self. So if this is true, many other religions are not true - the tibetan book of the dead and the egyptian book of the dead in particular, and, as Buddha recognized, no transmigration of the soul, no Christian reward in heaven or punishment in hell.... that or the word "death" has some other definition than the normally accepted one. It appears true that the tonal is not present at birth.

2) Anything that can be named is the realm of the tonal.
Another system which emphasizes this is Gnosticism, wherein the one true God is the Ineffable.

3) The tonal is a guardian that has become a guard.
This statement from DJ gets more into the mind aspect where the tonal dethrones the nagual in the human mind, and it does so as a protective mechanism - the ego.

This is the area I'd like to expand on. This desire or need for protection/security, which originally was a very real physical impulse for survival, has transformed into a false, psychological non-existent ego's need for continuity. Continuity and permanence are false or at best temporal. Chaos, the nagual, is this constantly fluctuating energy DJ speaks of.

I guess what I want to emphasize is a warrior's need to stalk/observe moments of continuity, security, understanding... and recognize these as tonal desires/dreams that are simply not possible/actual. I don't know that the tonal begins at birth and ends at death. But what is more significant to me is that all tonal items are born and die - they are temporal manifestations of order, but they cannot be maintained permanently. What is essential to recognize with the ego is its effort to achieve continuity, to survive. It can only do this by REPEATING THE PAST, and PROJECTING THE PAST INTO/AS A FUTURE. The ego does not exist; cannot exist presently, and present/now is all there is. But it can appear to exist through order, memory, habit, repetition, security, the known. The desire to understand is a front of the ego seeking security and control - order to resist the reality of chaos which would rip the ego apart.
A common element in all these ego strivings is the known (which is the same as the past) - there is no room for the unknown in the ego or first attention or self-reflection. The unknown is having no reflection, leaving no footprints, being without reference, mind emptied of knowledge/thought. The internal dialogue is always talking to us about life; it isn't life. Mind is always one step removed from life. Let there be just life. That is non-duality. As long as there is life and someone living/experiencing life there will be conflict/seperation and you will miss the true meaning (being) of the nagual. You are the nagual, always have been. But you won't know it until you eliminate the mind. And then you still won't know it because there will be no knower and the known - there will be oneness.

I don't think I said all that I meant to. I'll have to come back and re-read and elaborate. My focus was meant to be living with chaos instead of resisting it and trying to maintain order. I wish to convey a certainty that order cannot be maintained because it is not the true nature of life. The true nature of life is life-death: flux. So we are back to death again. Death must not be a future event. That supports the false ego's view, but it doesn't support actuality. Life is the unknown - we must die to every moment in order for the next to be new. There can be no past, no knowledge, no storing/grasping. We must let these die in order to truly be alive.]]> https://rojointenso.net/mybb/showthread.php?tid=8468 Mon, 18 Feb 2008 06:47:59 +0000 true]]> https://rojointenso.net/mybb/showthread.php?tid=8468 For example, the action for "I'm sorry" is to amend the error, and not just apologize. There are actions for "I love you" and they're not buying flowers or a card with someone else's sentiments on it. And gratitude should be a gesture and not a phrase - give something of equal value or what you can.

And have you noticed there are many types of currency with which to pay our debts to others. The world usually acknowledges money as currency, but can there not be a society that values knowledge as wealth, or the teaching of a skill. What could be more valuable than knowledge that frees? But people don't want that, don't value that knowledge. Instead of knowledge, they call it judgement or criticism or worse. That's understandable, but people are so god damn sensitive these days. In this politically correct world, you're expected to respect other's ignorance even as "their truth". I get that. I really do. But the old days of survival of the fittest seem more aligned with nature. I'd really like to act out and bruise these sensitive egos to show people they're alive in a way they're unaware of. Their little world of false security that they create with words... I'd like to smash it with something real. Being protected is so important to them. Give me a man or woman who has been to hell and no longer fears their shadow, but lets it all out... just in your face - deal with it. I'm so tired of games. So bored with people who don't know themselves and presume to speak about anything. The ignorant lies fall out of their mouths and I want to shut them. I was even taking some notes about myself the other day and I said "who are you writing to? I don't want to listen to you either." I'm so fed up with everyone's stories, including my own.

I long for the world of actions. I feel myself growing silent. I prefer to be alone nowadays. The world is so ignorant of the truth, of reality, of actual existence. I'm allowing myself to feel disgust, anger and hatred like I've never known, but not in a helter-skelter kind of way, nor in any arrogant or better than them way. If I thought I was better or priveledged, I wouldn't be angry with the world. (Personally, I think they're all fucking with me. ) But anger is just a useless thought-emotion. When I'm silent, the world seems ok and I don't know that it should be any particular way other than it is. And I'm not alone...
the entire world is already the world of actions. The tree that fell doesn't defend itself or explain its actions. The sun doesn't consider how much sleep I've gotten. The rain doesn't ask permission to fall. The moon doesn't demand that I admire its beauty (but I'm a sucker for her.) Life is good. I just don't know a single human that is living life. They're all victims of their minds.

Good luck on your journeys, each of you.
Not necessarily goodbye.
I just need to be quiet for however long it takes.]]> For example, the action for "I'm sorry" is to amend the error, and not just apologize. There are actions for "I love you" and they're not buying flowers or a card with someone else's sentiments on it. And gratitude should be a gesture and not a phrase - give something of equal value or what you can.

And have you noticed there are many types of currency with which to pay our debts to others. The world usually acknowledges money as currency, but can there not be a society that values knowledge as wealth, or the teaching of a skill. What could be more valuable than knowledge that frees? But people don't want that, don't value that knowledge. Instead of knowledge, they call it judgement or criticism or worse. That's understandable, but people are so god damn sensitive these days. In this politically correct world, you're expected to respect other's ignorance even as "their truth". I get that. I really do. But the old days of survival of the fittest seem more aligned with nature. I'd really like to act out and bruise these sensitive egos to show people they're alive in a way they're unaware of. Their little world of false security that they create with words... I'd like to smash it with something real. Being protected is so important to them. Give me a man or woman who has been to hell and no longer fears their shadow, but lets it all out... just in your face - deal with it. I'm so tired of games. So bored with people who don't know themselves and presume to speak about anything. The ignorant lies fall out of their mouths and I want to shut them. I was even taking some notes about myself the other day and I said "who are you writing to? I don't want to listen to you either." I'm so fed up with everyone's stories, including my own.

I long for the world of actions. I feel myself growing silent. I prefer to be alone nowadays. The world is so ignorant of the truth, of reality, of actual existence. I'm allowing myself to feel disgust, anger and hatred like I've never known, but not in a helter-skelter kind of way, nor in any arrogant or better than them way. If I thought I was better or priveledged, I wouldn't be angry with the world. (Personally, I think they're all fucking with me. ) But anger is just a useless thought-emotion. When I'm silent, the world seems ok and I don't know that it should be any particular way other than it is. And I'm not alone...
the entire world is already the world of actions. The tree that fell doesn't defend itself or explain its actions. The sun doesn't consider how much sleep I've gotten. The rain doesn't ask permission to fall. The moon doesn't demand that I admire its beauty (but I'm a sucker for her.) Life is good. I just don't know a single human that is living life. They're all victims of their minds.

Good luck on your journeys, each of you.
Not necessarily goodbye.
I just need to be quiet for however long it takes.]]> https://rojointenso.net/mybb/showthread.php?tid=8471 Sun, 20 Jan 2008 06:12:35 +0000 Merged]]> https://rojointenso.net/mybb/showthread.php?tid=8471
The cat needs to come back in...]]>
The cat needs to come back in...]]> https://rojointenso.net/mybb/showthread.php?tid=8472 Wed, 16 Jan 2008 04:00:13 +0000 true]]> https://rojointenso.net/mybb/showthread.php?tid=8472
"That kind of attention applied to an animal results in a hunting piece. If we apply unbending attention to another person, it produces a client, a pupil, or a romantic relationship. And applied to an inorganic being, it provides what sorcerers call 'an ally'. But only if we apply stalking to ourselves, can it be considered a Toltec art, because it produces something precious: Awareness." - CC to A. Torres]]>
"That kind of attention applied to an animal results in a hunting piece. If we apply unbending attention to another person, it produces a client, a pupil, or a romantic relationship. And applied to an inorganic being, it provides what sorcerers call 'an ally'. But only if we apply stalking to ourselves, can it be considered a Toltec art, because it produces something precious: Awareness." - CC to A. Torres]]> https://rojointenso.net/mybb/showthread.php?tid=8476 Thu, 10 Jan 2008 08:50:05 +0000 true]]> https://rojointenso.net/mybb/showthread.php?tid=8476
http://www.buffalostate.edu/orgs/bcp/bra...riune.html


Notice how the brain has evolved - first survival, then emotion and memory, then learning, speaking, reading and writing...
If you could see the path of information, it comes up the spinal cord and into the reptilian brain where it moves through the reticular activating system in which items of awareness are "measured and weighed" or judged as acceptable or not. If there is nothing comparable in the inventory, the item is rejected. It has been said that a mere 30% of what we actually perceive gets through the reptilian brain into our conscious awareness. 70% of reality gets rejected.

There is something here to DJ's statement that we don't learn unless our lives are on the line. This is why you have to be tricked into this; you have to need it to survive. If it's not necessary for survival, the reptilian brain most likely rejects it before it gets to the neo-cortex and is seen as reality.

More later... gotta work again.]]>
http://www.buffalostate.edu/orgs/bcp/bra...riune.html


Notice how the brain has evolved - first survival, then emotion and memory, then learning, speaking, reading and writing...
If you could see the path of information, it comes up the spinal cord and into the reptilian brain where it moves through the reticular activating system in which items of awareness are "measured and weighed" or judged as acceptable or not. If there is nothing comparable in the inventory, the item is rejected. It has been said that a mere 30% of what we actually perceive gets through the reptilian brain into our conscious awareness. 70% of reality gets rejected.

There is something here to DJ's statement that we don't learn unless our lives are on the line. This is why you have to be tricked into this; you have to need it to survive. If it's not necessary for survival, the reptilian brain most likely rejects it before it gets to the neo-cortex and is seen as reality.

More later... gotta work again.]]> https://rojointenso.net/mybb/showthread.php?tid=8482 Wed, 12 Dec 2007 14:17:28 +0000 true]]> https://rojointenso.net/mybb/showthread.php?tid=8482
Second, try to set up a situation where you have to succeed. If you're just doing it to experiment or have some fun, you might not have the proper inspiration to really go for it with both feet, if you know what I mean.

Third, it's true stalking when you fool yourself. You can't be knowing who you "really" are while you're stalking someone else, some other self. If you loosen your personal history and beliefs and such sufficiently, stalking becomes quite easy. There is no 'self' who you really are anyway.]]>
Second, try to set up a situation where you have to succeed. If you're just doing it to experiment or have some fun, you might not have the proper inspiration to really go for it with both feet, if you know what I mean.

Third, it's true stalking when you fool yourself. You can't be knowing who you "really" are while you're stalking someone else, some other self. If you loosen your personal history and beliefs and such sufficiently, stalking becomes quite easy. There is no 'self' who you really are anyway.]]> https://rojointenso.net/mybb/showthread.php?tid=8486 Fri, 07 Dec 2007 03:26:36 +0000 true]]> https://rojointenso.net/mybb/showthread.php?tid=8486
Yes, it's time to sit down and take a look at where our lineage has gone askew!
C'mon, you're not going to tell me that Carlos didn't fuck up. There wasn't much he didn't fuck, according to some sources. B) And then getting creamated from without (as opposed to the fire from within. heehee!)

Seriously, and don't call me arrogant! Someone's got to do this. So chime in if you have any corrections or amendments to CC's books and/or current day so-called warriors.

#1 - I think we need to realise that these books contained information given specifically to Carlos Castaneda from a sorcerer-seer-warrior-stalker. I know that you know that, but to realise it means that you're aware that DJ is going to say whatever he has to to get CC to get it. And that means he's going to tap into CC's tonal to find out how to stalk and teach him. Remember at the fire with the apprentices they ran into looking for crystals, and DJ went behind the rock and came out and each one saw something different because he tapped each of their tonals?
Anyway, you have to seriously consider that some things in the book were specifically for CC's personality and temperament (I checked the spelling, BratscheWarrior. I know! It looks funny. ) and that they may be useless (or moot! :lol: ) to someone of a different temperament.

Not everyone needs to go hunting.
Not everyone needs power plants.
Not everyone has to talk to plants...

DJ, as a warrior-seer, is so spontaneous and present that he can pick up on anything and immediately improvise a not-doing or whatever is needed to hook CC. And we're sitting there reading and taking notes for ourselves:
"b-u-y a-n e-l-e-p-h-a-n-t g-u-n..."
"s-m-o-k-e m-o-r-e w-e-e-d..."
"s-t-a-r-t t-a-l-k-i-n-g t-o p-l-a-n-t-s..."
:lol:

So some things obviously apply to anyone seeking to become a seer or warrior. But some things were specific tasks designed specifically for CC's tonal and written into the books as if for anyone.

Your tonal may be imbalanced in a totally different way than CC's.

CC didn't claim that these books are a "How-to" manual!


So Newer Seers rule #1:
CC's books are not "The Holy Bible of Nagualism"
nor are they "The Complete Works on Nagualism"


Newer Seers rule #2:
Self-importance isn't THAT important!

What I mean is that it's not so important that you get absorbed in recognizing it in everyone and in yourself. Notice it, sure. But don't be a fanatic.
We have to seek the root. That should be a common theme: "seek the root".
What is the root... why was the task of eliminating self-importance assigned? Because it was seen that self-importance is the greatest consumer of energy.
So the point, the emphasis, the root, is to save energy!
Don't get hooked on self-importance! That doesn't save energy! Self-importance is a means, not the goal! Do you hear what I'm saying? Self-importance has become something ugly, a sin, an evil-doing! Don't do that. That doesn't save energy.

Self-importance isn't important. The important thing is saving energy.
Self-importance just happens to be the greatest expenditure of energy among humans. That was seen, without emotions, without judgement.
They didn't see that self-importance was bad!
They didn't see that no one should ever be self-important!
They saw that it consumes enormous amounts of energy. That's all.

Don't mistake the woods for the trees.

(I have no idea what that means. It seemed appropriate. :unsure: )

Anyone else got some insights?]]>
Yes, it's time to sit down and take a look at where our lineage has gone askew!
C'mon, you're not going to tell me that Carlos didn't fuck up. There wasn't much he didn't fuck, according to some sources. B) And then getting creamated from without (as opposed to the fire from within. heehee!)

Seriously, and don't call me arrogant! Someone's got to do this. So chime in if you have any corrections or amendments to CC's books and/or current day so-called warriors.

#1 - I think we need to realise that these books contained information given specifically to Carlos Castaneda from a sorcerer-seer-warrior-stalker. I know that you know that, but to realise it means that you're aware that DJ is going to say whatever he has to to get CC to get it. And that means he's going to tap into CC's tonal to find out how to stalk and teach him. Remember at the fire with the apprentices they ran into looking for crystals, and DJ went behind the rock and came out and each one saw something different because he tapped each of their tonals?
Anyway, you have to seriously consider that some things in the book were specifically for CC's personality and temperament (I checked the spelling, BratscheWarrior. I know! It looks funny. ) and that they may be useless (or moot! :lol: ) to someone of a different temperament.

Not everyone needs to go hunting.
Not everyone needs power plants.
Not everyone has to talk to plants...

DJ, as a warrior-seer, is so spontaneous and present that he can pick up on anything and immediately improvise a not-doing or whatever is needed to hook CC. And we're sitting there reading and taking notes for ourselves:
"b-u-y a-n e-l-e-p-h-a-n-t g-u-n..."
"s-m-o-k-e m-o-r-e w-e-e-d..."
"s-t-a-r-t t-a-l-k-i-n-g t-o p-l-a-n-t-s..."
:lol:

So some things obviously apply to anyone seeking to become a seer or warrior. But some things were specific tasks designed specifically for CC's tonal and written into the books as if for anyone.

Your tonal may be imbalanced in a totally different way than CC's.

CC didn't claim that these books are a "How-to" manual!


So Newer Seers rule #1:
CC's books are not "The Holy Bible of Nagualism"
nor are they "The Complete Works on Nagualism"


Newer Seers rule #2:
Self-importance isn't THAT important!

What I mean is that it's not so important that you get absorbed in recognizing it in everyone and in yourself. Notice it, sure. But don't be a fanatic.
We have to seek the root. That should be a common theme: "seek the root".
What is the root... why was the task of eliminating self-importance assigned? Because it was seen that self-importance is the greatest consumer of energy.
So the point, the emphasis, the root, is to save energy!
Don't get hooked on self-importance! That doesn't save energy! Self-importance is a means, not the goal! Do you hear what I'm saying? Self-importance has become something ugly, a sin, an evil-doing! Don't do that. That doesn't save energy.

Self-importance isn't important. The important thing is saving energy.
Self-importance just happens to be the greatest expenditure of energy among humans. That was seen, without emotions, without judgement.
They didn't see that self-importance was bad!
They didn't see that no one should ever be self-important!
They saw that it consumes enormous amounts of energy. That's all.

Don't mistake the woods for the trees.

(I have no idea what that means. It seemed appropriate. :unsure: )

Anyone else got some insights?]]> https://rojointenso.net/mybb/showthread.php?tid=8497 Thu, 29 Nov 2007 04:49:57 +0000 true]]> https://rojointenso.net/mybb/showthread.php?tid=8497
If you want to live in the mystery, you have to be a mystery yourself. And that's actually quite easy. The mystery of you is that you are aware; you are conscious and consciousness, and all is consciousness, so the mystery is always right where you are.

Isn't it a wonder that you can look at these letters, that are just symbols, just lines and curves thrown together, and yet you are able to find meaning in them and able to communicate back? And as you type your fingers naturally drift to the appropriate symbol-letter to express the thoughts arising in the mind. How does it do that? Isn't it a wonder? You couldn't do these these when you were born, and it took a couple years or more of practice and repetition to be able to master reading, writing and typing. And now it happens almost automatically.

That is the mystery and mastery of awareness. What you've forgotten is that these lines and curves that form letter-symbols have ABSOLUTELY NO MEANING IN AND OF THEMSELVES. They mean something because we've LEARNED to give them meaning. We've done so through AGREEMENT. If we didn't follow the same program, if we didn't agree that c-a-t spells cat. Then we couldn't be doing this right now. Instead we'd be doing this:

jshsdbvcbashfhfHH

Do you know what that says? What it means? Me neither. But that's only because we HAVEN'T AGREED TO GIVE IT A MEANING. Right now it's gibberish. But you must remember that everything is gibberish. We've given meaning to some gibberish, and other gibberish has no agreed meaning yet.

If you don't see the mystery in that, you're going to miss the whole crux of sorcery. Because the entire world is the same gibberish that we've agreed to give meaning to. Let me emphasize this first with other examples in communicating before moving on. If you look closely under a microscope at newsprint or a book, you'll see that each individual letter is made up of a bunch of dots. All these dots thrown together in such a way, really unrelated, but we intend the relation and give them meaning. Or Braille (reading for the blind)... it's just bumps, but you can learn the system and agree that such and such bumps means this and such and such bumps means that. Without the agreement, they're just bumps. But we've also even agreed to call them bumps... THEY'RE NOT BUMPS! We've just agreed to call them that. When we talk, our languages are just noises... but we've learned, been programmed, to give them meaning. It's just noise. It's actually chaos! But we've AGREED to see order in it. But there isn't any. All is still chaos! Mystery!

So this applies to EVERYTHING. Not just communicating with others. We've agreed to call barky, branchy, leafy, rising from the soil towards the sky objects, TREES. And I'm not just saying that the mystery is that we've named things. I'm saying that we've agreed to recognize them as the complex things instead of their elements. And that sorcery, the mastery of awareness, is to learn to unrecognize them, to return order to chaos and then re-order it into whatever order you see fit.

YES, this has all been said by CC. I'm not trying to be original or claim anything. I'm just saying it again with many examples so that it hopefully impacts you.

IF IT DOESN'T IMPRESS YOU THAT WE ARE TAKING CHAOS/INFINITY AND ASSIGNING NON-EXISTENT DIVISIONS AND ORDERS TO IT AND GIVING IT MEANING THROUGH AGREEMENT/PROGRAMMING, then you need someone to throw you in a cold irrigation ditch and rap you on the head a few times until you wake up. THERE ISN'T ANYTHING MORE TO SORCERY. THIS IS IT.

So read this with great attention: FOR YOUR AVERAGE HUMAN BEING, THERE IS VERY LITTLE TO THEIR WORLD THAT IS NOT SUBJECTIVE AND PSYCHOLOGICAL.

What does that mean? It means that 99% of what we CALL reality can be manipulated, BECAUSE IT IS PERSONAL, PSYCHOLOGICAL AND NOT ACTUAL. It is learned agreements! Descriptions. Descriptions that could be described differently AND GIVEN THE SAME AMOUNT OF BELIEF AS FORMERLY, AND THAT NEW REALITY WILL BE JUST AS REAL AS THE OLD ONE. But we don't call that believing anymore. Belief is ignorant. Intentional belief is INTENT.

Example: Pain is a real element in this world. But ACTUAL pain is made far "worse" by ADDING PSYCHOLOGICAL PAIN TO IT. Psychological pain is wanting the pain not to be there when IT IS... wondering why this pain is happening TO ME, poor me, self-pity, etc... All psychological pain can be dropped.

ALL PSYCHOLOGICAL REALITY CAN BE DROPPED. That is called SEEING.


So you still think you're not free? You've agreed to a description of not being free. You're here, as infinity, but you've agreed to divide infinity and condition the unconditional, and see a non-existant order in this chaos and name it "NOT FREE". There are a lot of groups, religions etc, that each have their own unique version, there own set of rules and requirements to "reach" freedom/salvation/redemption... whatever they call it. As long as you're a member of that group, you AGREE to those terms, and you struggle to ATTAIN freedom. A freedom that ALREADY IS, save your blinded by your adherance to a description that says "it is not".
That goes for Castaneda's descriptions too, people. Wake up. This should hit you like a wall. What a wonder! What endless potential you are, if you unlearn your agreements.]]>
If you want to live in the mystery, you have to be a mystery yourself. And that's actually quite easy. The mystery of you is that you are aware; you are conscious and consciousness, and all is consciousness, so the mystery is always right where you are.

Isn't it a wonder that you can look at these letters, that are just symbols, just lines and curves thrown together, and yet you are able to find meaning in them and able to communicate back? And as you type your fingers naturally drift to the appropriate symbol-letter to express the thoughts arising in the mind. How does it do that? Isn't it a wonder? You couldn't do these these when you were born, and it took a couple years or more of practice and repetition to be able to master reading, writing and typing. And now it happens almost automatically.

That is the mystery and mastery of awareness. What you've forgotten is that these lines and curves that form letter-symbols have ABSOLUTELY NO MEANING IN AND OF THEMSELVES. They mean something because we've LEARNED to give them meaning. We've done so through AGREEMENT. If we didn't follow the same program, if we didn't agree that c-a-t spells cat. Then we couldn't be doing this right now. Instead we'd be doing this:

jshsdbvcbashfhfHH

Do you know what that says? What it means? Me neither. But that's only because we HAVEN'T AGREED TO GIVE IT A MEANING. Right now it's gibberish. But you must remember that everything is gibberish. We've given meaning to some gibberish, and other gibberish has no agreed meaning yet.

If you don't see the mystery in that, you're going to miss the whole crux of sorcery. Because the entire world is the same gibberish that we've agreed to give meaning to. Let me emphasize this first with other examples in communicating before moving on. If you look closely under a microscope at newsprint or a book, you'll see that each individual letter is made up of a bunch of dots. All these dots thrown together in such a way, really unrelated, but we intend the relation and give them meaning. Or Braille (reading for the blind)... it's just bumps, but you can learn the system and agree that such and such bumps means this and such and such bumps means that. Without the agreement, they're just bumps. But we've also even agreed to call them bumps... THEY'RE NOT BUMPS! We've just agreed to call them that. When we talk, our languages are just noises... but we've learned, been programmed, to give them meaning. It's just noise. It's actually chaos! But we've AGREED to see order in it. But there isn't any. All is still chaos! Mystery!

So this applies to EVERYTHING. Not just communicating with others. We've agreed to call barky, branchy, leafy, rising from the soil towards the sky objects, TREES. And I'm not just saying that the mystery is that we've named things. I'm saying that we've agreed to recognize them as the complex things instead of their elements. And that sorcery, the mastery of awareness, is to learn to unrecognize them, to return order to chaos and then re-order it into whatever order you see fit.

YES, this has all been said by CC. I'm not trying to be original or claim anything. I'm just saying it again with many examples so that it hopefully impacts you.

IF IT DOESN'T IMPRESS YOU THAT WE ARE TAKING CHAOS/INFINITY AND ASSIGNING NON-EXISTENT DIVISIONS AND ORDERS TO IT AND GIVING IT MEANING THROUGH AGREEMENT/PROGRAMMING, then you need someone to throw you in a cold irrigation ditch and rap you on the head a few times until you wake up. THERE ISN'T ANYTHING MORE TO SORCERY. THIS IS IT.

So read this with great attention: FOR YOUR AVERAGE HUMAN BEING, THERE IS VERY LITTLE TO THEIR WORLD THAT IS NOT SUBJECTIVE AND PSYCHOLOGICAL.

What does that mean? It means that 99% of what we CALL reality can be manipulated, BECAUSE IT IS PERSONAL, PSYCHOLOGICAL AND NOT ACTUAL. It is learned agreements! Descriptions. Descriptions that could be described differently AND GIVEN THE SAME AMOUNT OF BELIEF AS FORMERLY, AND THAT NEW REALITY WILL BE JUST AS REAL AS THE OLD ONE. But we don't call that believing anymore. Belief is ignorant. Intentional belief is INTENT.

Example: Pain is a real element in this world. But ACTUAL pain is made far "worse" by ADDING PSYCHOLOGICAL PAIN TO IT. Psychological pain is wanting the pain not to be there when IT IS... wondering why this pain is happening TO ME, poor me, self-pity, etc... All psychological pain can be dropped.

ALL PSYCHOLOGICAL REALITY CAN BE DROPPED. That is called SEEING.


So you still think you're not free? You've agreed to a description of not being free. You're here, as infinity, but you've agreed to divide infinity and condition the unconditional, and see a non-existant order in this chaos and name it "NOT FREE". There are a lot of groups, religions etc, that each have their own unique version, there own set of rules and requirements to "reach" freedom/salvation/redemption... whatever they call it. As long as you're a member of that group, you AGREE to those terms, and you struggle to ATTAIN freedom. A freedom that ALREADY IS, save your blinded by your adherance to a description that says "it is not".
That goes for Castaneda's descriptions too, people. Wake up. This should hit you like a wall. What a wonder! What endless potential you are, if you unlearn your agreements.]]> https://rojointenso.net/mybb/showthread.php?tid=8500 Sun, 25 Nov 2007 18:00:52 +0000 true]]> https://rojointenso.net/mybb/showthread.php?tid=8500 Death is a warrior's constant companion.
Death is Carlos taking notes.
That may sound poetic, but it's a fact that happens to sound poetic.

It isn't Life then Death.
It's Life/Death - an inseperable pair.
Life springs from its source: Death.
Death springs from its source: Life.

Love it, hate it, respect it, fear it... it doesn't matter.
Nothing you do can change it, alter it, avoid it, or attract it.
It is all there is.
You can't exist outside of it in order to affect it in any way.]]> Death is a warrior's constant companion.
Death is Carlos taking notes.
That may sound poetic, but it's a fact that happens to sound poetic.

It isn't Life then Death.
It's Life/Death - an inseperable pair.
Life springs from its source: Death.
Death springs from its source: Life.

Love it, hate it, respect it, fear it... it doesn't matter.
Nothing you do can change it, alter it, avoid it, or attract it.
It is all there is.
You can't exist outside of it in order to affect it in any way.]]> https://rojointenso.net/mybb/showthread.php?tid=8507 Sun, 11 Nov 2007 23:39:44 +0000 forfuckssake]]> https://rojointenso.net/mybb/showthread.php?tid=8507
I have a favourite moment with this as well. To watch this particular 2-minute soundbite seems to remind me of what I don't want, or what not to do. That's why I put this thread in the 'Stalking' forum.

Anyway, anybody seen it?]]>
I have a favourite moment with this as well. To watch this particular 2-minute soundbite seems to remind me of what I don't want, or what not to do. That's why I put this thread in the 'Stalking' forum.

Anyway, anybody seen it?]]> https://rojointenso.net/mybb/showthread.php?tid=8536 Sun, 22 Jul 2007 19:22:55 +0000 BratscheWarrior]]> https://rojointenso.net/mybb/showthread.php?tid=8536