[Jorge Nuñez]

Hi Again,

According to Don Juan,
The World we live in now is only a description that was given to us at birth. (I agree)
But then he talks about how we need to undo the ways thing are or stop time (the world)
Ok then my question is that when we are in Ensueño or dream time, why do we continue to use the same description of the world that was given to us at birth? What description should we apply?
I don’t know too much about this so I’m just trying to understand…

Quetzal

[admin]

Maybe the quickest answer is not the better. Dreaming is a method, using many times for persons without a soul, seeking an escape of the real world.

Maybe you can better see whaty i want say, reading the thread called "El terrible inconveniente" in the "conocimiento silencioso subforum"

Maybe can help u more if i say you is wonderful dream, but is better not betrayal the dreams.

[Jorge Nuñez]

Ok I will read it
then I'll reply

Quetzal

[Chipola]

Another problem of dreaming technique is he fact of is a subjective experiencie and for it is very hard to check with another people.

Check and probe the personal advance.

[Jorge Nuñez]

Ok,
So the experiences of all defer from person to person?

Quetzal

[Chipola]

In subjective matters yes.

[admin]

verificable dreaming is an oxymoron

[Jorge Nuñez]

Yes but can I say, that waking life and dreaming go hand in hand as if it were a single unit?
I think that both are composed of the samething,

could that be the Nagual?

What makes both these posible, Cause we can see Waking and Dreaming but what makes them exists?

Quetzal

[admin]

Well... if u dont manage, and understand this world, you cant manage or dont understamd the magic/dreaming world.

The magic world is not a way of escape.

If u can USE the knowledge of the dreaming, ok for u.

[berenice]

Let me explain what I understand about this:
1.- the world is a description given at birth, only a description
2-. when you are awake, you interact with the world under that codes, under that description, and it can be verified by those around you because they also have that same description of the world, they have the same codes, unified by reason.
3.- But when you are dreaming, nobody can verify what you are living (dreaming) because you are the only one who knows the codes of your dreaming. If you are not a dreamer, you are not able to interpret your dreaming, wich means your dreaming is something like useless. If you are a good dreamer it means you are able to interpret and give order into your dreaming, which means is being useful.
Is like creating an observer through your dreaming but also through your reason.

What makes both these posible, Cause we can see Waking and Dreaming but what makes them exists?

I don't know what makes them exist but I think it is our description of the world what makes the exist in separate ways.
Of course, this is only my humble opinion.

Berenice