[firefox]

The difference is the intent behind Tensegrity. You don't have the intent to stop the internal dialogue when you do yoga exercises (though you might try), and you don't intend to join your left and right side together while practicing Tai-chi. If you catch the right intent, you'll go with the flow - I mean, you'll join the powerful intent of people who discovered the passes and practiced them, and it should guide you in the right direction of the warrior's path.
I heard a rumor that the passes should be done either with your internal dialogue off or in second attention, and that otherwise they're not effective... Maybe that's why people often complain that they get no results. At least I know that I got little or bad results until I started to do passes with 'right' intent and without talking to myself.

[Warbaryan]

You don't have the intent to stop the internal dialogue when you do yoga exercises

The intent to stop the internal dialogue doesn't automatically come along with Tensegrity, either. Actually, I've witnessed some people actually strengthen their internal dialogue (self-image) with the energy derived from the magical passes.

I heard a rumor that the passes should be done either with your internal dialogue off or in second attention, and that otherwise they're not effective...

That's horseshit. How can you pursue cessation of internal dialogue with the passes if the requirement for their functionability is the lack of internal dialogue?

I think many people should shut up and concentrate on actual training instead.

The magical passes are the only system that I've encountered this far that is so "otherworldly" in its intent. It's not just about balancing the energies of the physical body to get more vitality and longevity, it's about gaining awareness and control of the energy body and getting closer to second (and third) attention. There's a vast difference between the purpose and the scope of Tensegrity and, say, Qi Gong and Yoga, although some similarities can be noted. And I'm not trying to discredit other systems of practice in anyway, they do have their own purpose and they can be applied into warrior's life just like anything else from bodybuilding to self-immolation... go with your predilection.

Taijiquan (tai chi) is originally a martial art, i.e. it's about fighting and self-defence, and balancing and strengthening the energies of the physical body. I.e. it's for health and it's for fight. I haven't heard of a Taijiquan style that would emphasize the concept of second attention, recapitulation, dreaming attention and left/right side bodies. Practising Taijiquan or Yoga can effectively help you shut down your internal dialogue and raise your energy level to some extent, but the real question is about what you're doing with the newly acquired energy and silence?

I'm having an exercise in the art of eating right now, and I feel my inner silence growing. Now, what's the difference between eating and Tensegrity?

[Warbaryan]

I've never done tai chi, but from what I gather its movements are slow, flowing and graceful. Tensegrity on the other hand, has many quick striking movements, perhaps closer to kung fu than tai chi.

Taijiquan can be done with exploding power, too. The movements you usually see are in slow motion, but the martial applications are lightning speed. The same movements, different speed. Don't get fooled!

Kung fu... which style are you speaking of? There are like 10,000 of them. Some also train in slow motion as a part of their training. Some Japanese martial arts do so as well. You increase speed when you've really learned the form and can be sure you do it properly and don't just try to hide your mistakes behind speed (and possibly break yourself and/or your training partner).

Tensegrity is about causing an effect on yourself, on your luminous being. The speed and the nature of movements in Tensegrity practice are dictated by different things. You're not doing techniques against an opponent, so the question of speed rests on different matters. Besides, there are also some series of Tensegrity that are slow and restful by nature. Just think about Wheel of Time, Mapping the Body and the Running Man, for example. And you can do all the movements with different types of intensity. This has been exercised in the seminars and workshops as well.

[Warbaryan]

It seems strange to me, that of all the Castaneda related message boards and groups i've found on the internet, no one seems to be talking much about magical passes.

Those not talking about them in internet are probably too busy practising them. <_<

I know that a great aspect of this knowlege is action instead of talking, but that doesn't stop people from talking about other topics; dreaming, stalking, etc.

It's easier to mentally masturbate over those other topics as they have a certain kind of "shaman mystique" surrounding them; you can play intellectual games about them and throw endless quotes from the books and write down 5000 line descriptions of some chaotic dreams you just had (or made up). However, dreaming and stalking are as much about true discipline as everything else on the warrior's way.

Maybe one reason for the phenomenon is that the topic is not really discussed in the books before The Sorcerers' Crossing and Magical Passes? You know, some people are still stuck in the first book and seeking an ally from the desert while high on peyote buttons they just bought from the local drug dealer...

I for one can't get enough of the magical passes. They slowly creeped into my life until they have now become a constant thing. And they are changing me. This I know for sure. They have helped me in numerous ways. More energy.

I started with them some ten years ago and have been practising on daily basis since then. Sometimes more, sometimes less. And I feel I should be doing more of them, I have a sense of duty... duty to myself and the spirit, perhaps. A kind of hunger that never seems to end.

Stay Hungry! B)

[ensonar]

Well put! (My comparisons above were rather superficial)

And I've thought for a long time that it seems that the people who are really serious about practicing, tend not to be the ones talking much online. This is understandable. It is a busy, busy life.

Yet communication certainly isn't worthless. And I'd be quite interested in hearing how others are doing out there.

Good to have you here.

[Warbaryan]

Yet communication certainly isn't worthless. And I'd be quite interested in hearing how others are doing out there.

Tensegrity is a great way to gather energy and help yourself to become free... but it can also be a tool to gather energy to boost your egotism and strengthen the shackles. It's something you can't just practice without a proper philosophical-pragmatic framework. It will not automatically lead you anywhere.

And yet, it's so damn powerful.

How's your "daily training", enso�±ar?

Some days I spend hours on practising the passes, some days I just go with the bare minimum... I've felt a long time that I'm not "quite myself" if I don't do the passes daily. It's like an addiction. Addiction to something purposeful. And it's also a discipline.

Instead of playing the role of a "spiritual man", I've paid a lot of attention to the energetic significance of the physical body, especially during the past 13 years or so. Taking care of your tonal is a key to a balanced life and without it, it's hard to stay focused and "rooted" on all the journeys.

I've found frequent stretching, strength training, long walks, and such very helpful. I tend to pay constant attention to the way I move, attention to my postures, to slight details in all situations... It's all about flow of energy, although it manifests itself in the realm of what we known as physical.

I haven't yet entered into the "learn as many movements as possible" stage. It's more like that I've tried to get the most out of the passes I already know, and practice them diligently and rigorously every day.

Hatha yoga, a new thing for me, has helped me in balancing the spine, becoming more aware of the meaning of symmetry in bodily balance... and I've become more aware of the importance of spine. This has, in turn, made the magical passes even more effective for me than before.

It's weird how all these practices can go hand in hand. However, if I had to drop everything else -- all "physical exercises" -- I'd still be doing Tensegrity. It's beyond any physical practice that I know, it's an act of beckoning power itself.

[ensonar]

My 'daily training' is currently being pummeled by the persistence of my monthly cycle... or is it yearly cycle? I'm in a momentary sinkhole again looking for an opening.

However, I am considering trying out yoga for a time in the very near future. I'm beginning to aquire a hunger for extreme flexibility. Do you have any suggestions for a good method of self-training?

[Chipola_english forum]

Finally I get the URL with important info about tensegrity.

The original source is in spanish
Carta Abierta a los practicantes de tensegridad.

opened letter

[admin]

Umm, is my Old site =)

I need say i am not the autor of the Open letter, but have many good points.

[Chipola_english forum]

Next a fragment from this letter.

Companions medical instructors:

With which I go to say, I do not try to enter personal controversies through this means, especially when he has been yielded me gentily to express what I feel she is my to have to present. But I animate the interested ones to comment it between you yourself, to that you investigate, to that you investigate, to that you deal with non fantics, of not absolutes, of loop yourself to a single vision of the things as if it was the total truth. " You prove with touch the way ", as he said Don Juan, and ask yourselves " if the way has heart ".

If what you are going to read it seems to you an aberration, a paranoide delirium, and you feel attemped to reduce greater attention to him, I animate to you to that you take it as a challenge from warrior and continue its reading until the end, so that you have a complete panorama of my exhibition.

BE IMPECCABLE!

The Blue Finder

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Friends and I am interested in the esoterismo from kill time, having cultivated the reading of diverse slopes. By this it went that when taking contact with the work from Carlos Castaneda (Who Has reached the Freedom) we accepted it like true, but for the same reason we have not considered it a Truth Excluding, like those who thinks that " Castaneda is the Bible ", but that we took the subject like ' another vision from things', or rather ' the vision of others things'.

There are postulates that approach the esoterismo with the TOLTEKAYOTL, for example in the referred thing to the conduct (humility, etc.), the one from an mystic-important point of view and other terribly practitioner. Others, like being the structure of the universe and the beings, constitute radicals differences. There will be some who accept a description in damage of the other, and that they try to harmonize them (it is the ' the astral body, or perhaps the double eteric); although perhaps both are equally valid, " different visions from different positions from the embroider point ". Some we do not think that millenarian doctrines are only fantasmagoric, nor shared the ridicule that Castaneda did as much of the misticismo (if he only knew farsantes, worse).

We did not share the clucked one either " nobody can bewitch to you, nobody you can do nothing ". This constitutes on the part of the Nawalli either a supina ignorance or a deliberate lie (pardon, " a warrior strategy "), tendiente to avoid that people put morbosa with that subject, but that it completely leaves it defenseless before it if it decides to accept that " nobody can do nothing to us ".

And the " traps for the second attention " of the Mexican ruins, what? And the hunting phantoms of energy that Castaneda faced in the desert, (but) IN COMPANION OF DON JUAN? And the old witches from whom she had to flee as if she took the chingada one to it, as she said Don to him Juan? And the case of the ring that found the Fat person? This to only put some examples that appear in books, to that there would be to add very important other: the inorganic beings of all class, who feed themselves on the emotions (the one that persecuted to Don Juan, evoked by nawalli Julian), of the conscience (the Rockets), of the energy or of which he is of the human beings. The subject is that they always have something to take advantage of us. You read! You review books! Or you will pay attention to the Word of the Nagual: " you do not read books. You practice Tensegridad and only you summarize "?

In addition to the examples of its books, they are those scattered in Literature around the world, in books and magazines, documentary televising and others, that demonstrate the clear ones, safe to the obstinate ones, that that of " anybody you can do nothing " IS ABSOLUTELY FALSE.

to be continue...