[jonian]

stalking the self is everything: sooner or later every warrior have to deal with it, recapitulation and tensegrity will certainly help to obtain a more sober vision of ourselves and of our contradictions, however, then it' s time to act: to be willing to change and ruthlessly strike our most cherished units of cognition, to fulfil the spirit' s requirements which are always so clear!

"The idea that we are a solid block," he said. "In our minds, what sustains our world is the certainty that we are unchangeable. We may accept that our behavior can be modified, that our reactions and opinions can be modified, but the idea that we are malleable to the point of changing appearances, to the point of being someone else, is not part of the underlying order of our self-reflection. Whenever a sorcerer interrupts this order, the worlds of reason stops."

B)

[DrakeWan]

true stalking... or masters of stalking are usually regarded as tricksters or mean... I myself have utilized stalking for things that could classify under old seer stalking.. but I think there is no way around it... all stalking done properly is devious...

[ensonar]

That may be true, but I think it is important to consider how you personally interpret the meaning of "devious". When I hear the word devious, I immediately think of someone doing something evil, no good, out to hurt others for their own benefit.

But I think being devious in terms of stalking differs from the generally understood meaning of the word. It does mean being sly, cunning and ruthless. But without self-importance involved, being devious has no real "evil" connotations. I'm basically just talking about semantics and intention here.

It is only a matter of perception as to what it means for someone to be "honest and upfront". It is only a matter of perception as to what it means for something to be "true".

This is all a play anyway. All a great drama between birth and death.

[DrakeWan]

The meaning I had in mind is the same as you just portrayed... I didn't mean ruthless manipulation for SELF benefit..

[Merged]

Stalking should begin with the four emotions: fear, anger, joy and melancholy.

I can understand when it would be usefull to exaggerate your persona, so as too make things "bigger than life," and in so doing see that it's not neccessary to take yourself so seriously or understand that certain behaviors are foreign to you or conversely, that you can push yourself beyond certain limits.

Trying on new facades may be fun, entertaining, and interesting, but ulitmately you drain yourself of your personal power. There is no honor or strength to be gained from being capricious. Acting on whim, acting out, etc only feeds self importance. This behavior is not founded in impeccability.

It is not at all a matter of perception what it means to be honest and up front. Nor is truth relative.

You all know this - it is this knowing you wish to solidify. This is silent knowledge.

This knowing doesn't need to be defended with words or rationalizations because as we sit quietly within ourselves, we know it to be true. Believe without believing.

[ensonar]

Stalking should begin with the four emotions: fear, anger, joy and melancholy.

I can understand when it would be usefull to exaggerate your persona, so as too make things "bigger than life," and in so doing see that it's not neccessary to take yourself so seriously or understand that certain behaviors are foreign to you or conversely, that you can push yourself beyond certain limits.

Trying on new facades may be fun, entertaining, and interesting, but ulitmately you drain yourself of your personal power. There is no honor or strength to be gained from being capricious. Acting on whim, acting out, etc only feeds self importance. This behavior is not founded in impeccability.

It is not at all a matter of perception what it means to be honest and up front. Nor is truth relative.

You all know this - it is this knowing you wish to solidify. This is silent knowledge.

This knowing doesn't need to be defended with words or rationalizations because as we sit quietly within ourselves, we know it to be true. Believe without believing.

What is that you're going on about scout? I think I don't agree with pretty much everything in your post (except for the 'believe without believing' part). Are you stalking right now?

[ryan]

lilac when i read your words i understand because i was there, and even today after all my battles i must admit there are times when i feel pulled to feel that way again. my self-importance compels me to say, that there was no one more shy or self obsorbed than i. and i miss that comfy state of mind at times. but YOU can and will change. Don Juan said that "most people don't realize that they can change anything they want about themselves in the blink of an eye". and that he himself proceeded to "chip off" the things about himself that he needed to change.

the difference between being a sociopath and stalking in my estimation is this.
in stalking the intent is impeccability. in sociopathology the intent is the "self". same action, different intent.

[DrakeWan]

Stalking should begin with the four emotions: fear, anger, joy and melancholy.

I can understand when it would be usefull to exaggerate your persona, so as too make things "bigger than life," and in so doing see that it's not neccessary to take yourself so seriously or understand that certain behaviors are foreign to you or conversely, that you can push yourself beyond certain limits.

Trying on new facades may be fun, entertaining, and interesting, but ulitmately you drain yourself of your personal power. There is no honor or strength to be gained from being capricious. Acting on whim, acting out, etc only feeds self importance. This behavior is not founded in impeccability.

It is not at all a matter of perception what it means to be honest and up front. Nor is truth relative.

You all know this - it is this knowing you wish to solidify. This is silent knowledge.

This knowing doesn't need to be defended with words or rationalizations because as we sit quietly within ourselves, we know it to be true. Believe without believing.

So in a way, what your saying is... only use stalking in your path with a heart... never for your self-indulgent (sp?) self-important self..

[Lilac]

...It does mean being sly, cunning and ruthless. But without self-importance involved...

This and what Ryan says are true. I think this is the most important thing in stalking. If one doesn't care to be impeccable, s/he might just as well go home and continue being a normal human being who finds no reasons to change him/herself something that goes beyound average person's interests...

[Lilac]

Every time I have been close to doing stalking the first thing I have had to be ruthless to is always myself. How can I ever consider myself as being "honest" to other people if there is any self importance left in me? Self important people like to twist every word and situation into their own good. But the most of the lying they do to themselves.

"I'm this, I'm that, I only want good for everybody" (that is: I want good to everybody so they don't go after me and hurt me...)

And the constant whining inside the mind how somebody made this and said to ME that and oh I'm so hurt... What does other people's doings matter, really, if they're not actually killing me...?

Considering myself as a dreamer I'm a rotten stalker, but somehow I feel that if I don't start taking stalking seriously, I can forget about the dreaming also. I'm dry as a desert...

It's a lifetime struckle and I can't be boasting about anything. Good intentions are not enough to be stupidly proud about.