[Juan_Carlos]

Maybe I didn’t word it correctly.

The General Idea I have of a Nagual is that they are off in the Jungles and rarely surface this is based on our past.
Now that we have cities and jobs wife’s or husbands Children etc.. How does nagualism affect us or benefit us how does it fit into our lives today?

Quetzal


Well, actually the real challenge is exactly at the place you are... you do not need to retreat yourself to apply Nagualism in your life, Alfonso told me one day that it is good to make some retreat from time to time if you actually want to do that, but you should come back to your world. You just have to be clear in what you want and what you are doing... Nagualism in modern life is totally possible, it is just a matter of doing what is right even if you are in the jungle or in the city.

[admin]

Maybe Quetzal, you need check some of Karma Yoga in Google.

The problem in the real Nagualism, is PERMANENT retreat of the world , is not allowed. You was born in one place for one reason.

In terms of ceremonial magic (Golden Dawn ety al): Is more difficult the use of earth, water and air magic in cities, only the Fire magic functions witghout extra obstacles. You can try to sell ice in South Pole, but is a Wrong beginning.

[Jorge Nuñez]

Maybe Quetzal, you need check some of Karma Yoga in Google.

The problem in the real Nagualism, is PERMANENT retreat of the world , is not allowed. You was born in one place for one reason.

In terms of ceremonial magic (Golden Dawn ety al): Is more difficult the use of earth, water and air magic in cities, only the Fire magic functions witghout extra obstacles. You can try to sell ice in South Pole, but is a Wrong beginning.

Hi Nagual,
I think I understand what your saying, But I didn't understand the "You can try to sell ice in South Pole, but is a Wrong beginning."
Can you explain that in lamest terms?
Thank you
Quetzal

[admin]

City is not for the wolf. Is for the man.
City is not for the Jaguar. Is for the man.

Forest is not for the Man, is for the wolf.
Jungle is not for the Man, is for the jaguar.

If you try to sell Ice in The south pole, no much people need it. Some people try to do that.

The solution is the Hybrid.

As a man you can do some things, use a computer, as a wolf, not.

As a wolf you can run quickly. In a city, a man can use a vehicle.

If u use a vehicle in the forrest, can not climb trees WITH THE VEHICLE.

[Erika]

Quetzal would it bother you if I asked where are you from??

[Chipola]

Nagualism dont have a lot of rites and practices like other ways such chamanism

say like a Nagualic Temazcal is the same to say Castaneda's topic was chamanism

[Jorge Nuñez]

Hi Chipola,
I think what your saying is that using Nagualism and Temezcal together is like an Oxymoron.
If thats what you mean then I understand.
Thank you for clearing things up.

Quetzal

[Chipola]

Your english and sintaxis for be a native speaker is a little weird.

Whats the meaning of "if thats"? maybe is a stuff such slang or something like that.

[Jorge Nuñez]

Chipola,
senifica "si eso" "if that's" or "if that is" es lo mismo but in Short it's not slang its Proper.

Quetzal

[TATANKA]

Chipola, I think Quetzal´s English is fine. ¨If that´s¨ means ¨si es eso¨ in free translation he says:

¨Si es eso lo que quieres decir, entonces lo entiendo¨

He´s being polite, and a lot of English speakers make mistakes just as we do in Spanish.