[ensonar]

Where do you feel this is all going?

How has Nagualism / the works of Carlos Castaneda affected you? In what ways have you put it into effect? Are you overly secretive? Have you left your family and friends? Has your life and energy improved from your practices?

Carlos Castaneda wrote some books that allowed anyone in the world to have access to knowledge and techniques that have been formulated in secrecy for many thousands of years. But what will we do with it?

Don Juan told Carlos that one day he may ditch the shamanistic rituals and go in a new direction. Well, he may not have said that exactly, but something along those lines. (I believe he mentions this in "The Wheel of Time")

Maybe it's just me, and what I'm going through at the moment. I go through periods of following the methods presented in Carlos Castaneda's books very intensly, and then at some point, I'll ease up for a while, and just let go. And it feels like the intensity followed by a release is causing a greater and greater feeling of freedom within me

I'm more than slightly rambling here, but what I'm trying to get at is... What do you think it means to be a sorcerer/warrior in this moment in time? Do you feel that any of the techniques and methods need improving or updating to live in society today?

I personally feel like I've seen a definite evolution of mood going on in the updates and practitioner comments on the Cleargreen site.

Basically, I'm trying to start conversation here, and trying to understand some things that are going on in my life. And I'm trying to understand which direction to go in. I've been living in secrecy in some aspects for a long time, and I'm considering easing up. It feels like easing up and not trying to be so secretive will lift a weight off of me. The secrecy in itself lifted a great deal of weight, but now the secrecy itself is beginning to feel heavy.

What are your thoughts on secrecy?

[admin]

Excuse my english, is not my native tongue.

I think the problem for the honest people, at the moment, is many people trying to made an escape of a tedious life. Some people do something in the secrecy, but many of the Castanedas readers, now are trying to get some external in the way, calling themselves warriors, and dont use the dream or the stalk to change really the lives, they go to any way to made a escape of the floor of the living, and try to get power in the dreaming, and no in the way with heart.

In my humbre opinion, The Nagualism as is now, is go to destroy itself. The people in the secrecy do some things, but the public, not. Mystics vs really warriors then.

[Merged]

Okay...so I'm new at this sharing stuff. I'm at a place in my life where I have recently started again... for awhile I chose for my energy focus to be elsewhere. I put up alot of walls -to stop the visions, voices, out of body experiences. (I do not recomend anyone do this -- It caused severe migraines and a total imballance of my soul. At the beginning of summer I decided to be "my self". Luckily I didn't have much problems reaquainting my self again -basic exercise of locating my toes -lol- accompanied with continued meditation helped I think. We have every Castenada book -My hubbie is a fan. I have been hesitant to read them (I did read the one about the sisters)-I have also started to read the Lagorda one -on his suggestion since its focus is more on women. My experiences are purely my own and the way I speak of them may be confusing as I have not shared them with anyone except my hubbie. My lucid dreaming has basically been me living in "My Wonderland" a world that seems more real and colorful than this one, a world I would prefer to stay in if I did not choose to remain attached to my responsibilities of motherhood. Has anyone done this? Ballance the worlds - I want both. I do not wish to cut my ties to my family - however I do wish to grow and blend these two realms ... I feel another pulling at me, a third... I don't really know how to describe this part... this feeling. Okay enough of me sharing ...till next time.
~Sherry

[ensonar]

Has anyone done this? Ballance the worlds - I want both. I do not wish to cut my ties to my family - however I do wish to grow and blend these two realms ... I feel another pulling at me, a third... I don't really know how to describe this part... this feeling.

I think that's what it's all about. And that is really what i was talking about in the original post. How to balance living in society with trying to live a dream.

For me, it seems like sometimes we have to go to strange lengths to reach a certain threshold where we can live in the everyday world, yet not be touched, or affected by it in a way that limits us.

I think nagualism's techniques show us some of these strange lengths.

[Lilac]

I think we should consider an idea that not everything C.C. had from don Juan was mentioned to every human being. It may be possible that some of those things was ment just C.C. himself. I've heard other people saying that don Juan knew C.C was after glory, welth and power, and to awoid him getting them don Juan told him to be secretative.

I don't mean that we should shout about nagualism to every other guy next to us, but do we really have to abandon all the people from time to time to be free? I don't know. Is it possibe to have a family and friends and still be detached? I've heard many people in the Net saying they have children and still they think they are sorcerers. I don't have children and it's ok to me, but it may be one of the things that makes me feeling "I'm going mad!" very very often. There is nothing to make me rooted... (I do have a partner though, but seems it don't stabilize me...)

:blink:

Anyway, I remember don Juan saying that warriors should make new names to things every time they feel something has to be updated. Why limit updating into names?

And if anything about the things C.C wrote never happened... Then we are really free to do as we please.

:lol:

[Merged]

yes, about the opening discusion about being secretive. i am write with you, for many years i've kept to myself, except for necessary busyness. i had left friends, and barely contacted family. This has allowed me to view the world in unexplanable ways, or maybe it is knowing without words. Recently though I've felt the desire to somehow connect or communicate or something i'm not sure of. I've even snooped around some online dating sites. What it seems though is that this would take me back to the place I had been in before. Been there done that.

[Merged]

i dont tell anyone about my path if i know they are going to cruxcify me.
i camre out of the broom closet to my parents and friends. my parents didnt like the idea at first but i met them halfway and mix a little catholic magick into my style. my friends dont really care about it. i dont get treated different . they ask me to tell them stories about my expericenes when we get together. i have even done a little don juan trickery to get my friend to give me energy healings. maybe he will use what i shared with him someday.

[jonian]

i' ve always been enough secretive to be able to work through the years...
on the other hand many times happened just the contrary; opening to infinity have talked at great lenght about nagualism even to people completely unconcerned with otherworldly stuff... of course it all depends from the current mood of the warrior: being too secretive will conduct to self importance, being too willing of making others joining will produce pragmatic problems for one' s life!

[DrakeWan]

I'm as secretive as I need to be, and because I'm secretive in some aspects people assume I'm bullshitting them all the time.. lol

But really.. I can understand what Don Juan was saying about ditching the shamanism thing... lol heheh Can't you see the recapitulation happening to everyone at every turn... and the self-importance training all around us..? our media sources are stuffed with ... 'training' and lessons and helping... petty tyrants don't need to be sought after anymore that's for sure... It's in our music, our TV shows, our movies... it's in us.

There's so many kids out there soooo screwed up due to erratically moving "assemblage points"... ... whether it's drugs or shitty home lives.. it's all relative, but all of these 'goth' kids.. or cutting kids are just using different methods to move their assemblage points... although laterally, none of them have any of these tools... impeccability, stalking, dreaming.. many of them just Half-Ass stalk, missing some of the vital parts that make a stalker a master stalker.... and some dreamers are the same.. most are just lucid dreamers who morbidly believe their dream-worlds, and happenings.

There's major problems .... open your eyes to the intent of freedom.... the world is crying.

Listen to the shaman of the jungle... who are stuck with none of this knowledge, just dreamers.... or just curers, using dreams.. without knowing of any of the other aspects..

The oil companies are destroying their habitat..

and our reason in the west is destroying our habitats .. (our bodies) ourselves..
Finally with quantum physics the west learns about the nagual... be warned they will consume it for their own benefits quickly..

My mission or path has always been freedom, way before I even started reading Carlos Castaneda... I had serious bouts with death (born with my intestines out, [gastroscisis]) upon entering this world and the spirit helped me tremendously for its purposes not mine... and coincidentally without knowing it, it was freedom.. I dropped out of school because it wasn't teaching me what I wanted and I couldn't read the books I wanted because I had school to deal with ... so I had to ditch it.. and working was minimal for me... only when needed, I moved away from home at a young age. (15) away from family, which I've never really considered family ... stumbled around the gnostic/esoteric areas of knowledge, learned a lot, a lot that I can apply a lot better now with the knowledge I have recently learned, because I can better see more of what they were trying to saying.. without their horrible descriptions, or my horrible bias upon hearing certain words.. or my utter confusion... so I was either always driven by freedom for my body, or opinions, or my actions... and my side project has always been trying to get other people to seek the same quest, showing them the things I learn how-ever I can, by using as many different outlooks at possible so they can understand it's just a description.

but I think we should take Don Juans advice and never-mind with the particulars, we should focus on the path.. which is freedom.. the one with the most heart ever...

[ryan]

Don Juan said that the only thing indespensible in what we do is the spirit. In my life impeccability has always meant unceaslessly searching for edifices of intent and abandoning myself to it's flow. The extent and the intensity that I am able to do that fluxuates, but my unbending intent remaines fixed inspite of my indulgences.
I left my job, family, and friends deciding to live on the streets as a "homeless person" and just let me say that if you want to cut to the chase, I cant think of any faster way to lose self importance, and at the same time observe the social matrix from an objective standpoint. It has taught me about roles and about projection. It has caused me to redefine definitions of words that I have carried all my life. It's taught me that you are what ever your want to be, and if you intend it impeccably, and embody it, that's what everyone takes you for, because that's who you are. We truly are nothing, because we are everything. At this present momment it time I'm telemarketing and you know what, IM GOOD AT IT! me, mr. shy, I mean my shyness bordered on paranoia. Confidence for me isn't knowing who you are, it's knowing what your not, and that emptieness gives you the courage to face the unknown.